Saturday, 21 February 2015

Week 212 Wings

We were having the discussion last week about whether a card with inlaid dies is one layer or not.
Sarah made one for the challenge, but I couldn't decide if it was one layer or not as there has to be a layer behind it to support the joins between the dies. SO... is it or isn't it?
What do you think? It would be good to know!
Please leave a comment with your point of view, it will be really interesting to read what the general opinion is.
Now on to this week, and for our 
THEME 
we have chosen
WINGS


SU Wetlands stamps one a one layer card with area masked off and Pan Pastels applied.

Many of you will know how much I love chicken images. This one was bought at the Portsmouth Craft Fair recently, I think it's from Woodware. It's coloured with Copics and Mirage pens and the backdrop is embossed with a Cuttlebug embossing folder.
A bit of a soppy looking chicken isn't she!


Using distress inks (picked raspberry, seedless preserves & barn door)
I inked an off-cut of watercolour cardstock, spritzed with water
to allow the colours to blend then left to dry. 

From this panel I die-cut the dragonfly
which is a standalone die set from Clearly Besotted, layered 3 times with the 
intricate elegant cut-out dragonfly on top. The same watercoloured panel 
is used to create the 'corner' pieces surrounding the front card panel.

More Clearly Besotted stamps used: With a Flourish,
Building Blocks & Sentiment from Spring Flowers
To finish mini silver pearls from Hobby House.

Do visit our personal blogs as there are additional examples to be found on each of them...we try to be vigilant in visiting and commenting on all of your submissions... and we love receiving comments too!
There are lots of things with wings so let's hope we see a variety of them
Do join us, we're waiting to see what you can come up with!
Don't forget to keep your submission CAS with lots of that lovely White Space!

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50 comments:

  1. Great theme for this week....have to say that my view on one layer, is that it means just that one layer (card blank only) I don't really agree of any embellishments for a one layer either but as I say, that's just my view. It will be interesting to read others thoughts on this :)

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  2. I agree with Paula; one layer card is simply just one layer. So I wouldnt say that inlaid dies are ok for those cards. But thats just how I see it and it will be interesting to read what other people think.
    Great theme for the new challenge :-)
    Hope you have a great weekend!

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  3. I think that the inlaid die cut is a part of the layer....in the same way that a stamped sentiment sinks a layer of ink into the card stock to become the one layer....so to me it is a one layer card. :)
    Can't wait to play with the wings challenge! :)

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  4. Thank you for another fab challenge ladies.
    One Layer ..... hmmm always a tricky one! For me one layer is exactly that, one layer .... with nothing extra. (I did take advantage of the guidelines last week and added a tiny embellishment to my entry, and a touch of glitter which I don't really like to do but I felt was needed!) I understand the argument about inlaid dies, they are cut from the one layer but .... like you've said they have to be supported by something behind making them not one layer, it's a tough one. Good luck with the decision xx

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  5. Looking forward to the new challenge. One layer......I think it's hard not to add the odd sequin etc. as they can be so plain looking otherwise...but very minimal things added only. As for the inlaid dies, I did that last time and mine stayed in with no backing so I say yes it's ok as it's still only one layer ;) xx

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  6. Lovely cards again this week! I regard inlaid die cuts as part of the one layer which I have always interpreted as what is on top of the card ie panels, embellishments etc. Its worth knowing what you think as I am sure that I have submitted cards with inlaid dies to your one layer challenges in the past :) There are obviously different schools of thought so there isn't a right or wrong answer to this one!

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  7. If you define a one-layer card as a single piece of cardstock folded in half without any additional layers and no or minimal embellishments, it is clear that inlaid die cuts add an extra layer and are therefore not one-layer cards.

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  8. it is clear that inlaid die cuts add an extra layer and are therefore not one-layer Cards ...
    I think so Too.
    Hope to be able to be with in this challenge !!!

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  9. I think it depends on who is actually setting the challenge / theme and to be sure I was within the rules I would only use a white base card with no embellishments... but I suppose it could mean one layer attached to the the base card... and so on.
    Just the same with CAS.... you say lots of white space, but a kraft or coloured base card can be a one layer CAS design so it really depends on the challenge rules and theme. Maybe you can define what is allowed when you set the challenge xx

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    1. We set definitive guidelines for all our challenges including our One Layer Challenges... which mention the fact that 'White Space' can be any colour... it's merely a generic term accepted to mean an empty area of the card design. (Please refer to the Guidelines page at the top of our blog)
      The subject of inlaid die-cuts in a one layer card is a fairly new phenomenon to the card making fraternity... hence the reason for this discussion.
      Thanks very much for your input.
      Chrissie

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  10. Hi lovely ladies, love the challenge theme for this week! I have to agree that to me 'one layer' means just that. Making something out of a single layer of card is challenging... and that's part of the fun. I'm not against a few embellishments in the form of sequins or gems but to me that's as embellished as a single layer should get. Thanks for putting this one out there for everyone's thoughts... you guys are such a class act! Jo x

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  11. Hi ladies, for me one layer is only the cardstock and nothing glue on that the emboss stamps, inks. Glossy Accents, stickles or tuff like that would be ok. This is how I understand the challenge.

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  12. Oh this is interesting! I really like the inlaid die technique as the resulting card is flat and easy to post, but adds lots of detail and texture. I consider it a one layer technique. But obviously, the decision rests with the challenge hosts.

    Fun challenge this week too!

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  13. Hi all,
    I am so glad that you have asked people to discuss this topic as I actually entered a previous LIM one layer challenge with this inlayed card: http://evemariemakes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/stampin-up-butterfly-basics.html
    On this card I said that it looks like the butterfly is stuck on but I die cut it then stuck cellotape to the back of the butterfly to stop the tiny pieces moving around. So if you count the cellotape as one layer then it is not a one layer card but how can cellotape actually be counted as a layer when it is clear and not cardstock?
    I am sure that Catherine Pooler said on her blog once that you can add ribbon to a one layer card so I suppose that the rules have to be made by you.
    I have also said on my blog before that I really struggle with CAS cards but love the look of them and like to challenge myself so I enter LIM often. I do see some cards entered that to me really don't look clean and simple and are very busy and you have mentioned that some people don't stick to the rules. In a clean and simple book I bought there are cards in there that are also busy so I give up with trying to figure it all out!!!
    My apologies for the long essay but I had to give my view!
    Any help with creating clean and simple cards would be very much appreciated.

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  14. Interesting opinions from everyone. I have to admit I see a One Layer card as just that - one piece of card - and that's the best bit of the challenge. If a die cut stays in by itself...fine. If you need card behind to keep it in - well that's two layers! Hoping to find time to join in this week!!

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  15. Well I think you are going to be receiving a variety of answers here because everyone "defines" CAS in many different ways and I think it's hard to do put a solid line on what really "IS" and "IS NOT" CAS in some cases. I have seen variations of it through different blog challenges. My opinion is that is should be left up to the people that are running the challenge blog. If you say it's not CAS....then it's not. Simple as that. :) I respect your point of view either way...love the challenges!! (Always inspired here!) Thanks for asking for people's opinion and that you care!!

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  16. Sorry, I mean ONE LAYER....not necessarily CAS there!! :)

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  17. On the topic of OL, I must admit that I always thought that a single sheet of cardstock folded in half is the best definition. I know I have been guilty of using inlaid diecuts in OL challenges and I suppose with new techniques appearing the definition needs to be re-evaluated. So long as it's made clear in the rules we participants should adhere to them.I think in a OLC the C for challenge is the important part. Another inspiring challenge and an interesting discussion!

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  18. I think one layer should be just that . no embellishments . dry embossing should be fine because its still one layer . I think it's more of a challenge to stick with the one layer .,It looks like there are other weeks that you can play with more layer.Just my two cents :).

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  19. Interesting! I'd have to say I'd consider inlaid die cutting to be more one layer than if I were to add embellishments. Almost as if it has to be flat under your hand if you were to feel the card front. I hope that helps :-)
    Lovely challenge and cards this week.

    Beth xx

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  20. Beautiful cards here!
    Regarding the die cuts to be considered as a one layer; I have to say no because it's really a layer on top of another. One layer in my opinion would be just stamping/coloring on the front of the base card.

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  21. I kind of agree with Deborah, which she wrote above.

    I really like the inlaid die technique as the resulting card is flat and easy to post, but adds lots of detail and texture. I consider it a one layer technique. But obviously, the decision rests with the challenge hosts.

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  22. I would have to say inlaid dies would be one layer as the bottom would only be for support purposes and not a part of the appearance of the card.

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  23. I think inlaid dies qualify as one-layer because they don't have any extra dimension. Several people commonalty thought sequins, etc. should count--I'd say no to those.

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  24. I would consider inlaid dies as one-layer as I would only use a bit of tape to keep the die in place. It adds color quickly. Thickness for mailing is always a concern of mine so this is a technique I use. Sylvia

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  25. What an interesting question. When I make a one layer card I avoid layers on the top of the card. So I wouldn't think that layers underneath that are holding inlaid die cuts in place count. But I can certainly see how some people think that any layer, whether on top or underneath, mean it's not a one layer card. I look forward to hearing what you decide regarding this.

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  26. This is very interesting topic. I've been wondering that question and I haven't used in-laid diecuts. I would consider them to be one-layer, I agree with Jen, she explained it very well. Since it is quite the same I ask if it is considered as one layer card if I watercolour the front panel but since I don't like to use watercolourpaper as my card base, is it ok to adhere the one-layer-watercolour panel onto a card base. Is it still one-layer?

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  27. Its a good question!! I think its one layer because the look of the card and feel of it is like one piece of cardstock but I can understand people not liking the cardstock behind the die-cut. Its one of my favourite ways to make a one-layer card so I hope you can accept them!!!

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  28. Wow, this is a good one to chew over! I think that inlaid is still one layer so long as when you rub your hand over the front of the card it's flat and not built up as is also the trend right now. After all, if the surface is flat it means that card has been removed and then just replaced. I know that folk say adding support from behind the card front for the inlay to adhere to isn't sticking (no pun intended!) to one layer but how about this one. How many of us use Pro Markers for our one layer cards? And how many of us would then leave the inside of the card as it is, with the bleeding from the Pro Markers on view when the card is opened? I imagine none of us - we would all back that card front to hide the bleeding. Good grief, you got the old grey matter working here :) My vote goes to inlays being fine for one layer cards. And, another little thought - it also widens our scope as we can also look at our dies rather than having to stick with stamping on one layer weeks.

    Di xx

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  29. This is a really good discussion. I agree with Di. When I use Copic markers on my OLC I always cover the inside as I can't stand the look of the ink bleeding inside!! So would that be a OLC? Whatever is decided here, I think ultimately, the challenge owners get to decide what they consider to be one layer! Sorry, I know that doesn't actually help :)

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  30. Thank you for another fun challenge, ladies, and marvelous inspiration cards! I also agree with Di - rubbing your hand over the front, the card should be flat, so yes to the new phun phenom of inlaid die cuts!! Hugs, Darnell

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  31. Interesting discussion - I started at the top of the page thinking, yes, one layer means just that, so the inlaid die cut shouldn't count, but then thinking hard about it and looking at some examples, there's no extra depth added to the front of the card so that means it would count. On the other hand, embossing, whether wet or dry, raises the surface of the card - yet that is definitely still one layer. You can't win! I think the best idea is for the LIM team to get together and choose their own definition, and add it to the rules. Then the rest of us will have to abide by it, and use that technique in other challenges or when it isn't a one layer week.

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    1. Just looking at another blog and it's made me realise that clear guidelines are the most important thing - as long as we're all singing from the same hymn sheet, that's more important than what the hymn sheet says. The blog I was looking at had a one layer challenge, yet not a single one of the DT cards they showed for inspiration would have counted as a one layer card here. But as long as readers of each blog can easily find out and understand what that particular challenge is looking for, that's what really matters

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    2. Couldn't agree more. At first I thought cards using the inlaid die-cut technique did not count as one-layer cards (in line with the OLC rules on the LIM challenge blog), but the people in favour of counting them as OLCs also have a good point. So it all depends on the explicit definition of/rules for OLCs on the relevant challenge blog. An example is the one at a new challenge blog I just stumbled upon; see http://onelayerchristmas.blogspot.ca/p/whats-one-layer-christmas-card.html

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  32. Wonderful inspiration from the DT. That chicken is brilliant! For me one layer is just ink and stamping on the base card. Like Di says, though, I would put an insert in if I dry embossed or used promarkers. I'd also allow punched or die cut holes or edges...a really tough question!

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  33. Thanks for the challenge ladies - happily able to use my new stamps!!
    I agree with nearly every argument here re OLC - but my opinion is if you run your hand over the card and it feels flat it's a OLC....xx

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  34. I'm with Di and Deborah - I often put liners inside my cards where I have coloured directly onto the front to stop ink showing through on the inside - I define those as one layer so don't see why an inlaid die cut is any different. As long as the "front" of the card is one flat layer I think it's OK. Although - your challenge - your rules - if you say nothing on the inside then I'll do that in future. Just means I am now going to dry and do an inlaid die with glue on the edges so nothing behind it!

    Tara

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  35. when I think of one layer I think of my base plus one layer, so if you only had your base you would not have any layers at all. so an inlaid deist to me would be one layer.

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  36. One layer to me is a flat card front so inlaid designs would fit into that nicely and provide some texture!

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  37. Fabulous cards! And for me, when I see or think of "one layer", I think of it being just that. Your base card with stamping on it and flat. no embellishments, no raised layers, nothing. just flat. ;)

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  38. I would like to think of it as one layer... and was about to ask the same question than Marika did. Watercolors and markers bleeding through card stock just look more professional when layered on a base card.

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  39. Interesting question. I have admired inlaid style cards but I don't really think they are one layer. I am hesitant to use even gems on a OLC. I think one layer should be just that. What I have always liked about this challenge blog is that you have tried to make sure that all cards are CAS and you let people know when they are not CAS enough.

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  40. Thanks for the challenge ladies and fabulous inspiration not usually my style but I have jumped in and joined the challenge this week.......be kind to me lol.

    MaggieH

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  41. I don't think that inlaid die cuts constitute one layer, simply because they need to be stuck to something, i.e. a second layer, even though the outward appearance is flat and 'one layer'. Very interesting to read all of the views here though. Well done Chrissie and team for spearheading the debate!

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  42. I always thought a one layer card was one piece of card stock that you stamp on and you could use stickles or glossy accents as it's almost like stamping, but not sequins, ribbons or anything else that you have to stick or glue on, so I guess using that logic, an inlaid die-cut wouldn't be one layer as you have to stick it to another piece of card stock. But I do agree with the comments about water color or colored cards looking more professional when stuck to a card base and I would consider them one layer as it's just card stock and ink/paints, even if it is technically two layers, so an inlaid die-cut card could fall into that category… mmm, food for thought!!!

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  43. Great challenge, DT inspiration and debate. If a one layer card is a single piece of card folded would that mean a no to adding an insert? If I was using an inlaid die it would be supported by my insert and I put those in all my cards regardless of whether it's a OL challenge or not.

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  44. Great challenge. Thank you for inspiration. :-D
    One layer card for me is a single piece of card and without inserts. Image and/or sentiment is stamped on card base and there are minimum of embellishments or none. Card base can support all these and it "stands". :-D

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  45. I think a card using the inlaid die technique should count as one layer. And I think a few small embellishments should be acceptable too. Otherwise, the card is pretty plain & boring.

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  46. I believe your name says it all, " Less is More". A one layer card should be the base card only. No inserts, dies, embossing (dry or otherwise) and no embellishments. Simply the base card inked or colored, remembering that the challenge is "Less is More", clean & simple. That's what keeps me coming back here. Good Luck with the outcome and Thx for all your challenges.

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